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this. essentially, what they're saying is, no one was in charge, no one will take responsibility for actually fulfilling the subpoena. therefore, the court is going to have to figure out what to do. judge howell is going to figure out what kind of sanctions might actually produce it. let's keep in mind, it's not just about punishing someone, they actually want and need to get the nation's secrets together to figure out what has happened to ameliorate any damage that has been done. that's the point of the subpoena. they're getting zero cooperation and this odd kind of, i wasn't in charge, no one's in charge, nobody knows. >> here's the thing, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. and so, the reality is, it would be shameful to say, well, it was peter, it was paul, it was merry, it was jane it was whoever it was. there's this sort of divide, and what am i talking about? you have people who don't comply, who are normal citizens with the court, and all of a

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