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have a role in the community to protect and serve, not to suppress and conquer. that is necessary sometimes. the other thing that we have got to be very careful of is we talk about alternative call handling, we should be sending social workers, we should be diverting these calls out to another system. that system is not properly funded and so we have got to be careful that we build that up before we start diverting people. we did this in the 70s with mental health system and we said we're not gonna lock people into state hospitals, we are going to send them back into the community for treatment. that system never rose to the occasion and that is why we are in the mess that we are in right now, with mental health issues. >> joshua, i will give you the last word on this. what are those incentives that the sheriff speaks of -- what would that look like? with that something be the kind of carrot that would provoke change? is it financial? >> it certainly financial. when you look at law

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