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our suspect here who's charged in this case declared a nine-mile radius around his house as the nation of new israel and that that was his sovereign nation. and you know, they sue everybody in court. they drive around, they don't recognize the dmv. don't you wish you could do that? they don't have plates on their cars. the police pull them over, but it's no game. we've had sovereign citizen members, you know, kill police officers in car stops. it's a growing disturbing movement. >> there you have it because, kyle, i'd say this guy sounds crazy but he's not alone, so obviously he's part of something that may be growing that lots of people have known about, and so why is michigan a hot bed of this? >> you know, it's interesting because we've seen a lot of these groups in michigan, and i have -- you know, i think that we see these groups in michigan right now, these growing gruoup