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cause significant disruption in any major life area, then that really is a good time to say, hey, maybe i should start to talk to someone or just ask for support. >> maybe -- what about listening to people around you that love you, friends to say, seems like something seems different. >> right. oftentimes it is hard if an individual is in the midst of a depression to accept that support. because they don't want to a burden. they feel like perhaps no one may understand exactly what i'm going through. there can be a little bit of a thing there. >> is this just because of covid this elevated number? if it is, is it reversible? now more people are going back to work. they get to be with people. she makes me happier every morning. really, just talking to people. >> that is great point. i think that getting back to the routine of work where you can feel a sense of accomplishment and mastery and be around wonderful people can certainly help with that. i think that covid certainly provided a lens into what we were experiencing. and for many individuals and communities, we saw a rues in