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there. but we have warned against this br brinksmanship. it's bad for the economy and the world. >> are you worried about the credit rating being downgraded? >> we don't control that process. i will say this was not down to the wire for d.c. time frame. this is a bipartisan agreement. it sets a tone for the way we're able to work together over the next two years. and we don't control what fitch does. but we have warned against this brinksmanship. and we need to work together in a way that gives the american people some confidence. >> you mentioned that you have been involved in a lot of negotiations in your time in washington on the hill before being at the white house. the white house repeatedly said that it would not negotiate on the debt ceiling. that's exactly what ended up having. president biden drew a red line. he said that he wouldn't do it. he came to the table anyway. how is it going to go the next time president biden draws a red line and the other side is going to look at him. are they going to say, but you