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that, but obviously he has had extensive legal problems on not only related to former president trump but also related to his own business dealings. yes, of course, if you flip, you are going to lose your lawyer that is paid for by a trump-affiliated political action committee. but these two gentlemen need to assess their own situations, assess the fact that the former president could become the president once again, potentially make this go away. they need to look at their situation carefully, because neither one of these men is going to have the resources to go up against the justice department on their own. but former president trump, he has two jobs right now. one, he wants to get re-elected to the white house. and the second it to keep walt nauta and carlos de oliveira very close. and i am told that he has learned a lot from what happened with michael cohen. i am told by people close to him that he's gotten a lot better about keeping people that could potentially be very helpful to investigators closer to the fold. they pressured walt, he didn't flip. they pressured carlos. he didn't flip. let's see what happens. >> that does not sound like the