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right? and certainly i think some of the people who were involved in some of these discussions i think believed that the former president would pass a lie detector test because he is that delusional about what happened. one of the things i think the former attorney general is getting at is the prosecutors have a ton of evidence. there is the things he mentioned, the roger stone, the steve bannon, there is a whole idea that they had concocted this whole plan that if he fell behind, he was going to declare victory and claim fraud. so there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. and people get convicted every day in this country on evidence that, you know, not getting into people's state of mind, not getting into their heads. i think he is on to something there. >> it is a high burden of proof as barr was saying there. but trump's mind-set and his intent here is at the key of this indictment we got yesterday. and looking at that and bill barr noticeably not saying anything when i asked if he had