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if he is going to run against a democrat, joe biden, and so that seems to me to be the case that he is making, and that will -- he will continue to make. this is his case, not -- it's a legal case, sure, but the case that donald trump is making is a political case, a persecution, and he has said -- remember, he says to voters, i am your retribution. so if you ever think that anything has been done to you that wasn't fair, that wasn't right, look at me. i am gonna be the person who is gonna defend you because i'm being persecuted just like you have been persecuted. >> i thought it was significant -- and tell me if you agree -- that the special counsel jack smith was in that courtroom today during that breefr proceeding. he was only standing about 15 feet away from donald trump. what did you think? >> it was, wolf, because today was the day of symbolism. this is a country where no one is above the law.