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he was already a movie star. wayne lapierre stepped into the void when heston stepped down, and he doubled down in public in a way that earned him the respect of gun rights activists. but that earned him an infamous place in american society. nobody at the organization today has that kind of star power that can replace him. >> yeah, and when you look at that and the question of whether -- i mean, his reason that he gave was health. the question of whether it has to don't have do with settlement talks or whatever it was the a.g. is seeking here -- i mean, what does it mean for the nra? when people look at the nra, what its future looks like, what's your sense of that? >> key moments in nra history, they could have gone a different way. columbine, sandy hook, how are we going to react? wayne doubled down. he took them into unprecedented territory. in a way, if the nra disappeared tomorrow, which i don't think this will do -- it might continue in a streamlined fashion, maybe move to a friendlier state, texas -- nraism is with us.