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said in court. >> there is a quote in the congressional record in which your counsel -- your client said through counsel no former office holder is immune from investigation and prosecution. >> investigation is no issue. that may be true of subordinate officers, but as to the president, he is immune unless he is impeached. >> he was president at the time, and his position was that no former office holder is immune. and, in fact, the argument was there is no need to vote for impeachment because we have this backstop, which is criminal prosecution. and it seems that many senators relied on that, voting to acquit. >> don't. >> yeah, look. so when i was arnold inspector's chief of staff 100 years ago. during the clinton impeachment, my former boss had an op-ed that said we don't need to impeach him. he could be tried when he's out of office.