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am thinking he would have to come in a healthy second. it's very interesting because, again, as i said, boris, we've had a number of candidate forums and events and town halls and house parties, where all these candidates have gotten a chance to meet these voters of faith. i interviewed ron desantis as one of these biggest events with over four 1400 pastors and pro family activists in iowa, one of the biggest events before the caucuses. he was outstanding. he made his case. he talked about signing the heartbeat bill in florida. he talked about creating a culture of life. i think he's done extremely well. i think the challenge is that when it comes to the primary electorate, donald trump is not a big fish in a small pond, he's a whale in a bathtub. he's got a lot of support. if you look at the polling, it's very enthusiastic. it is intense. intensity counts for something. it's not necessarily that any