their business and that's going to continue to happen, not only lowering the work force, but looking to possibly not hiring. >> the bottom line is they're delaying this but everyone knows it's inevitable and if you're a big or even small business, you take action now. >> i think this is going to be worse for small business. i think that's the problem. the economy is starting to show some signs of a decent pickup now. five years after the financial crisis, finally after all that stimulus has been pumped into the system, endless amounts of money printing, finally we are getting some decent job numbers, getting some decent growth. however, the elephant in the room as you said is obamacare. here's the thing. big businesses, ge, the big companies, they have scale. they can spread the costs over a lot of people across the globe. they are multinational business -- international businesses, in many countries. it's the small businesses that get screwed. here's the thing. when you look at the drivers of the economy, employment picks up coming out of a recession or economic slowdown or weak economy, it's usually small