contemporaneous notes of all the members of congress who were briefed so we see how they felt and whether or not they raised objections? would you support that? >> i would certainly have no objection to that. if we're going to do it we should declassify the thousands of pages from the white house which are now held back and mr. rove and the president and vice president have not offered up all of those documents either. >> mr. rove. >> my sense is those will be declassified in the normal rules promulgated by the national archives. there are people in those rooms who know what people said and the senate committee didn't bother to talk to them. those people -- one of them is going to be on your program today. >> we'll get to him. jose rodriguez. senator whitehouse, karl, thank you both so much. >> good to be with you, chris. up next, we'll talk with jose rodriguez, the man who came up with the enhanced interrogation program and briefed congress. and what do you think? did the cia do the right thing did the cia do the right thing or go too far?