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again. there was legislation that was put forward signed by dozens of democrats saying that they're all fellow travelers of insurrectionists. that's the same underlying theory under the 14th amendment that is being used in the trump case. so this could be replicated throughout the country. and that's what makes this not just so untenable and unfounded, but so dangerous for our democracy. >> sean: all right. so let me ask you this. explain why the 14th amendment doesn't apply. i mean, just, i don't know, 14th amendment for dummies if you will, for people that can't read the very plain language in it because it seems very obvious to me and i'm not the constitutional scholar that you are. >> well, many of the appeals in states like colorado and maine, have raised the fact that this amendment refers to a different oath that is taken not by the