out of work or underemployed. that is a country that would become a third world country. >> mike: ben, i think we might agree there has to be some infrastructure rebuilding in this country. but part of the issue was a lot of the so-called infrastructure projects really weren't infrastructure. they were pet projects that members were going to get that didn't really build a rail, didn't expand an airport, it didn't decongest a clogged highway. >> i'm amazed when i hear people complain about the american airports. i travel almost every day. american airports compared to european airports are marvelous and magnificent. i'm surprised at that. the infrastructure projects are a way and will only employ a few hundred people with millions spent. i live in north idaho in the summer and they spend $160 million on a bypass for a town