>> i think that's right. bill: a dino as opposed to a rino, and, he pulled it out, in the election, and, if you look at the house votes, actually and the central part of the country, when you look at house members who broke in favor of the health care legislation, the third week in march, late comers that put it over the top, were in tough battles, indiana, barrett hill loses. ohio, john becierri lose, and steve driehaus loses and mary jo kilroy loses, they are democrats who voted in favor of health care. and there is your argument for what voters -- >> and the other thing, you put your finger on it when you said the middle of the country. when you look at, say, california, which again, about the question about whether -- what role the economy versus policy plays, california has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. and, yet, obama has favorable ratings, it is very democratic