occupying what was indigenous land. this is a site of long-standing racial injustice, and it's important to have that narrative. it's not just a historical matter, it's a matter of contemporary reality. if we're trying to build a solidarity movement, we have to be clear, we're trying to de-colonize a colonized and occupied place, not just re-occupy it for better purposes. >> speaking of a little history, i want to ask you a little bit of your own history. you were an activist at tulane, where you first cut your teeth on this work, doing divestment from apartheid south african work. tell me a little bit about how that work, like the occupy work now, can help to reveal aspects of white privilege and the meaning of race work in trying to build progressive commitments and community. >> sure, what i learned from that work, and that's been about two decades now ago, was that many times, even those of us that are radical and progressive and have all of the right politics in our mind, whatever that means, sometimes manifest both tactics and a narrative