this is a tragedy that has taken place in terms of what happened in this case. but hopefully, as forensics evolves, as technology evolves, we will have less of these things happening as we move forward and stop looking back to see -- >> yeah but i guess that paul. >> yeah. >> but a lot of people including me think a lot more needs to be done. because not only do you have a victim and people like this gentleman that lost 30 years of his life i did a story the other night on another gentleman in louisiana. >> i saw that story, yeah. >> the people that were the victims, the family members of the murdered they're still victims because the guilty people got away. and that in my judgment is something that we ought to really look at. not only are you putting away the wrong people you're freeing the wrong people who may commit crimes again. paul henderson, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much for having me, rev. coming up new fight over discrimination.