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refused to take part in that plan and what happened? rioted right through its corridors, threatened to hang mike pence and stop, physically, what would happen that day because pence refused to do as -- as trump had ordered and bullied and pressured. and what i find the most intriguing is what inks those two teams and what links them and ultimately how much is the doj gathering about the linkage at this moment? >> those are the $64 million questions, and you're right. we all chase the shiny object which was blowing the house off, but what you're talking about was probably more newsworthy as well as i think he cited something, the most haunting words, you know that they've had and they've heard or pence said i'm not getting in that car. so it came so close to happening