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taiwan is a very rich country. it might have the 20th largest economy in the world. they've got the money to purchase these weapons systems, and there are things like smart sea mines that can be driven around and counter a chinese invasion, very sophisticated air defense systems, more offensive cyber capability, help them prepare now not only the cultural mind-set that ann writes about but also very pragmatically with the right military tools not to go to war with china -- taiwan is never going to attack china -- this is about creating deterrence in the minds of the chinese. we can get ahead of that in both ways as ann talks about and as i just mentioned. >> retired admiral james stavridis and "the atlantic"'s ann applebaum, thank you for coming on this morning. coming up on "morning joe" -- more than 20 million people are under winter weather alerts this morning as a