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i get so much hope because o what they have done when i comes to gun safety and, the mobilization of say march fo our lives. and the young people fro parkland they took matters into their own hands and really pushed movement that helped propel movement when it comes to gu safety but on this issue, they ar pessimistic and not as hopeful >> yeah, i think it has to d with how these decisions hav been made. this was a supreme court decision the reversal of roe, the decision in dobbs. this was not something tha really could have been changed by voting. it almost feels like it wa created by fee at. and they won't be able t change it. they feel a little impotent in the face of these changes. >> real quick, the mos surprising thing you learn fro young people when writing your book, rethinking sex >> i have to say, it was the idea of hetero pessimism