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facts, that world is completely gone now and conservatives, so-called, exist in their own information sphere which not only is separate from the mainstream media but needs to constantly attack the mainstream media and its picture of the real in order to create that power and momentum i talked about. >> i feel like what you're describing, though, is a system that's kind of zooming towards entropy and i'm not sure -- the only part i feel like i can't discern from the way you're describing it is where it ends does that just continue to mushroom out, or does it -- is there some limiting factor that causes a crash i mean, i'm asking in practical terms whether conservative media continues to be as rich as it is and as effective as it is, even with these dynamics that you're describing sort of accelerating right through today's news and right through this very extreme period on the right. >> i want to give you my best