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interference. i'm far more concerned, to be candid, about some of what you showed at the top of the program. the ominous things that president trump has said leading up to so many of these indictments. undermining the fundamental rule of law, which is sacrosanct in this country. >> let's speak more about that. as i said in the intro and a block, when donald trump sweats, he starts threatening people. he starts putting out threats, weather threatening people, whether it's the nation, or individual people. he's gone after the special prosecutor. he's gone up to the special prosecutor's wife. why is that so dangerous? can those threats be used against him in a court of law? >> with respect to your law to question, of refer to my -- >> i realize that came out of your mouth. >> i will say this, this is not surprising. this is consistent with this course of conduct. he did this throughout his presidency. constant challenges to the rule of law, undermining the rule of