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they also look around. and then, they decide, they talk to their family members who are telling them, stop listening to the boss, who's telling you don't plead. they decide, they're either gonna cooperate, they're gonna plead guilty, which will require them to implicate the other people, or, you know, they just decided that they're gonna roll the dice. and the people i found who rolled the dice ended up serving time in prison. so, i think what you have here is a misguided sense of loyalty. i can only imagine you have, you know, donald trump out there saying how wonderfully these two codefendants are. that, to me, this is considered a subtle way of saying, remain loyal, you know. so, that's what i see here, which i've seen happen so many other times and other cumulations. >> i'm glad kathryn, what you said about liz holtzman, you've been talking for years. i never want our viewers to forget how grateful we are for you and your expertise, not just as a prosecutor. you were there, in fact, when