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time that you're dismantling affirmative action, which seems like a one-two punch that will undermine the efforts of minority students to be admitted to these highly elite colleges where, you know, the chances for success and later paving the way in the world are really high. so there's a lot going on here. this is part of the broader picture that goes all the way from college to secondary school to kindergarten, all the way involved. >> and you're directly involved. what are you trying to achieve here? >> thank you for having me. great to be with you, professor. i went to nyu law so keeping it in the family so to speak. i love the numbers you were putting up, ari, because those are the facts and the facts that speak for themselves. at lawyers for civil rights we're extremely concerned that we're talking about six, seven times more likely to get into harvard if you are a affiliated