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focus throughout his activities in 2020 was focusing specifically on illegalities in the election. >> right. >> which is a related concept to fraud. >> his view of the underlying issues. we will get to that. but i want to lay down the basics. some of these people can or can't answer. was it wrong for the trump fans and now convicted seditionists to storm the capitol and attack police on january 6th? >> oh, my gosh, certainly. criminal activity at the united states capitol or anywhere else is wrong that should be an obvious fact. we can get by that quickly. sure. >> okay. and turning to your dealing with the special counsel, and then we'll get into the case, what was your last contact on behalf of your client with smith's office? what if anything can you tell us than? >> very little. we've had some contact with the special counsel office over the months and going before that, even before the special counsel was appointed with the prosecutors that are working, but we have not engaged in any sort of major substantive way with special counsel. we've had cordial relationship. i can call them. they can call me.