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the alternative, there is no claim. and i think at the end of the day, the questions emerge. i mean, there really is no presidential criminal immunity of the sort donald trump is seeking here, and as a result, you can argue there also is no right to appeal. >> i think clyde is agreeing with you as you speak to us right now. george, let's shift gears and talk about a case that actually leapfrog, leapt frogged? leap frogged this particular the c 106 case for donald trump, and that is that colorado supreme court decision that is now been granted by the supreme court to be heard. you've been very vocal about that case, and about section three of the 14th amendment. i want to focus on one particular nuance for our viewers today, because george, i think this is a really important part of what's going on. i think factually, he is the person to the united states at the time, he being donald trump. factually, i think the office of the president is the office of the united states for purposes of this amendment. let's talk about whether or not