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much in doubt, we'll see, sort of doing that jarring thing, and that was startling, and i think that part of the mood, as you say, that we'll be seeing in 2024 on the trail. i will say for elise stefanik is her super power is that she immediately goes to policy. not so much her super power as a republican thing, policy, policy, policy. the lovely democratic guest you had this morning was more politics and process. do you know what i mean? >> yes. >> they're two different moods and two different importances, and the first probably has a bit of an advantage. >> it's such a fascinating point especially as we head into iowa, kimberly, eight days away. what are you watching for? >> i'm not sure i'm watching for that policy, and i'm not sure that was landing for the audience. she's talking about the weaponization of the federal government which is something that trump and why the she