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it's just a central part of what donald trump stands for and how he and his movement pursued political power. miles taylor served in the trump administration is a national security official. he resided unit 2019. he sensed left the republican party. he's author of blowback, a warning to save democracy from the next trump. he joins me now. miles, i want to talk to someone who was from the world of conservative and republican politics, because every time that i've talked to folks in that world who themselves have come out against trump or opposed trump, the stories they tell me about the proximity of this kind of -- it's one thing if people are mean to you, or say nasty things to. that's just life. but something more than that. the stories i've heard are pretty chilling. i wonder what you think of the general thesis, that this kind of -- a little bit sort of invisible force really does exert some real pressure on the, sort of, basic shape of this context. >> of course it does. i remember something that alex vindman wants told me after his