republicans say the plan is to drop dead, that it's to kill senior citizens. that's normal for republicans right now. nobody demanded jenny brown apologize. >> this is a media circus. if you're trying to build an audience for your talk radio show, this works. this solidifies the audience. it's not where the country is. we have more independents than democrats or republicans. even on the republican side, we have frankly i consider harmful for america, glenn beck, rush limbaugh. they don't control the republican party. they were all against john mccain in south carolina in the last primary season. and john mccain won the south carolina primary. these talk radio guys couldn't control republican voters in primaries in south carolina. they have actually no power over real americans. it's a media circus. most americans are where they've always been, sort of center right independence. >> what's happening is we've created -- there's kind of a freak showbizness now of each side.