and the answer is, $2.5 billion. so his question is, does it make strategic sense? if he doesn't believe it makes strategic sense, then i believe in resignations on principle. i believe this has been a very honorable tradition in this country. richard elliott resigned and vance resigned because he disagreed with the position that jimmy carter was taking in iran. >> i have to take issue with you. this is almost as bizarre as the balloon story suggesting that the vice president of the united states should resign if we send more troops to afghanistan. i understand the principled position that you expect the vice president. but we're talking about joe biden, not sarah palin. joe biden is not a quitter. joe biden has been in the united states senate for over 30 years. he was elected as vice president. he was chosen for his foreign