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to me when i was in the courthouse. just that it wasn't that hard to get into the courthouse. at one point, i thought i was late. i went to the media overflow room. there was nobody there because there was plenty of seats left. yeah, i think part of that is that people didn't want, they thought they knew everything that there was to know about that story, the stories that we heard in the trial, mostly stories we've heard before. but again, i think there is real nuance here because i think trump did lose some of his power. certainly his agenda setting power when he lost the twitter account. when he lost his reach on social media. right, it does matter. it's not the totality of where he gets his political power from. >> this is the quote, this is you don't have to like the former presidents answers but you can't say you get, them kaitlin pressed him again, made news, a lot of news, that is our job. --