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you began to see abortion show up in plot lines. gray's anatomy and juno and others. what the right was doing, what the antiabortion movement was doing was amassing power. amassing power in the courts, in the supreme court, amassing power in the state legislatures. and that has really made it, they were able to achieve this victory without winning the majority of popular support. the majority of americans supported roe in some form. some kind of legalized federal abortion rights and continue to support that in some form. in fact those numbers have grown stronger. but the right was able to accomplish this regardless of that. >> everyone reads the politics. the political sleeping giant that has been awoken, i don't think people grasped that. i remember being on shows and i am, i don't think you're going to pick up everyone who doesn't want the sex they have that may result in unwanted pregnancy to be charged.