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podcast, our friend molly jong-fast. she is an msnbc political analyst. trump has long threatened to use the power of government to go after his political opponents. he did so while he was in office. since his guilty verdict, that rhetoric has only increased. he has singled out political opponents, people in the media he doesn't like. should it -- how seriously should we all take this? >> i mean, i think you should take everything donald trump says seriously, literally, technically, all the ways, right? because we saw in the first administration that he did try, in fact, he pushed, he bullied his admin to try to go after hillary clinton. i mean, they couldn't find anything. look, we even saw the republicans in the house, he encouraged them to impeach joe biden. while that impeachment fell apart when their star witness ended up in jail, they tried. they would have kept going could they have, like, really put together a case. so i think, yes, for sure, trump