so you think violence is justified? no, i don't, but i might be wrong. my aim is not to do anything else apart from get to the truth and then obviously let other people have a bash at seeing that information as well. thank you, thank you. what really struck me about that interview with darren was just how topsy turvy it felt. it seemed like we were talking about different realities, and that's quite scary and quite tricky when you're trying to challenge someone. because what they're saying, or some of what they're saying, seems to contradict reality in the evidence. i noticed how darren washed his hands of responsibility when it came to hateful ideologies, far—right figures, even calls to action or violent rhetoric that have been promoted in the paper and on its telegram channel. and no amount of saying that something is peaceful or that you don't condone violence changes that, changes the fact that that content exists and has existed. there's evidence to back up the idea that calls to action,