i get you. it's a journey. how did a kid from the bronx, who didn't really have role models to look to in science back in the day, how did he get to be running the main planetarium in new york city, to be, perhaps, the most famous astrophysicist in the country? so a couple of things, first, i figured out early that role models are overrated as a construct. in the following way. what is a role model? it's someone who you have found who has achieved something but has a strongly overlapping historical journey to yours, maybe they grew in the same place, they are the same gender, they are the same whatever, you match up as much as you can and they landed where you want to land and then you emulate their path. and i thought myself "i don't want to be anybody else. iam me " but the very fact that there were not people who look like you... crosstalk hold on, hold on. i'm only halfway