and sublimely happy or unhappy. i thought it was -- >> i thought it -- >> one of the -- >> antonin scalia unplugged. >> and he said he didn't read the "new york times" or the "washington post" because they make him angry. but it was interesting to me that he also lives in his own echo chamber too. i would have thought he would want that range of opinion. >> jeff, does that surprise you? >> and right wing talk radio was also a big part of his life. if you want to talk about the age issue, ruth bader ginsburg is 80 years old and she has done two same-sex marriages this summer. i mean this is a woman who is very much intune with the modern world. i don't think it is purely an age matter. >> i was -- i was going to say