saturday at the cabin where the dna was located. we had a number of sightings we have run, just to nothing, either they were they weren't the people we were looking for or there was just nothing there. >> can you just describe i mean the difficulties in searching? i think if somebody hasn't spent time in the outdoors in the woods they might not get a sense of just how tough this can be no matter how many people you have? >> well we have a couple of issues. one it is such a vast area. here in the northern end of the adirondack park. the foliage is extremely thick. we have had some heavy rains come through here recently. and like i say it is just extremely thick. difficult to walk through. and you know it's hilly, mount nus tearmount -- mountain territory. if it is not hilly, and mountainous, it is swampy and wet. difficult to traverse. >> people talk about creating a perimeter and moving in.