primaries and then suddenly caught fire in north carolina and the thing went down to the convention where he lost by 117 votes. and then of course four years later he lost the iowa caucuses to george h.w. bush. i think that it's a mistake to pin everything on one or two or three or four even more than that primaries. i think this is going to be a bit of a drawn out battle here and i think donald trump has got the reserves. i think he can deal with this. >> paul, do you see this as a drawn out battle, as well? >> i do. mr. trump has -- i think a lot of advantages. the scale the way the cameras are attracted to him. one great event he doesn't control is a crowded field. these other candidates, ross said and is right. if the other establishment candidates, many of them, most of them had sense would quit and let that person take on mr. trump but the problem is they don't have sense. they have more ambition than sense. [ laughter ] >> seriously. >> paul. >> i could beat him but i need