he doesn't say that was the quid pro quo, but a quid pro quo for them doing something that he wanted done. and then the course of his conversation, he said, look, by the way, i need a favor. and the favor was to look into a political opponent, not in 2016, but in 2020. and so, i think it cannot help the case and will be part of the testimony and evidence that the committees are gathering. >> mulvaney is claiming that the president pursuing this conspiracy theory, which flies in the face of what the intelligence community says was russian involvement in the dnc hack, mulvaney is claiming that that was a concern about corruption in ukraine. just logically, that also doesn't make sense. i mean, there's plenty of actual ukrainian corruption, but the president didn't raise any of that. all he talked about was this conspiracy theory about crowdstrike and the bidens. >> it's there for everybody to read. it's in the conversation -- the