defense in often -- particularly with his comments about the raid, it reminded me of the position that you write about in your book that the president put secretary mattis in on more than one occasion. explain how secretary mattis navigated that. >> you bet. thanks for having me on. as you mentioned, that was something we saw quite frequently. there was a lot of breakdown in communication between the white house and the pentagon. in the book i recount several such as the creation of the space force and the fact that we only received a call notifying us of the creation of the space force after the president had announced it on live television. >> 15 minutes after? >> 15 minutes after. as you looked over at the telephone and you saw who was calling from the white house to give us a heads up, it was chief of staff general jonquelly. we had even asked about the white house about 15 minutes before the speech if there was going to be any news being made, no, there wouldn't be. it would be right down the