i get why they're doing it. i just don't think it's very effective. it's too much. >> it doesn't seem too far to me. i think if you listen to the legal scholars and the law professors, i mean they were essentially saying the same thing. if we're not going to impeach someone for this, what are we going to impeach them for? if the president did do in fact what he's been accused of, i think that is an existential threat to the country. >> him dealing with an issue of foreign aid to ukraine, which by the way the previous president didn't even wanting to give them, so let's set aside the policy for a second. so that the president potentially, it's not -- you can say it's chris crystal clear. okay, that makes him an existential threat to the republic? i'm sorry, it doesn't go there. >> the president was withholding a white house meeting, possibly aid to get another -- to get another country to do his dirty work -- >> to do an investigation. it's not dirty work.