refusing in the case of muhammad ali to accept -- accept induction into the united states army during the vietnam war. and it's about love. this man died the most beloved person on this planet, admired by billions with a b. and so, what we wanted to do, sarah burns, david mcmahon, my co-directors and i, was to tell the complete story of muhammad ali from his birth and boyhood in segregated jim crow louisville, kentucky, to his death from parkinson's just five years ago, anderson. and understand the ways in which his life speaks to us today. the courage that was involved. the freedom that it -- that it represents that we all want. and the love that we seem incapable of reminding ourselves ought to exist in order to even tackle these, you know, binary political problems that -- that seem so intractable. he understood something. speaks to us so well. >> you talk about somebody who stood up for beliefs, who was almost destroyed because of --