foundation of his approach to russia in this crisis. so, it's probably the most important moment i can think of. >> evan, president biden ran in part on his foreign policy credentials. it's certainly something he prides himself on. early on he was being criticized in this in the run-up to the invasion for not being proactive enough. and yet, in the end, his ability to bring a unified nato to bear in the conflict has certainly -- i mean, it's -- it's been working. the unification has surprised russia. >> yeah, i think that is the name of the game now, unification, because the longer this goes on, the more important it becomes to shore up this unity, this sense of unanimity across, let's face it, 30 member states. and, you know, there is this natural tendency to say, well, the united states needs to be