this is something that many women deal with, yet this is so awful. it's hard to compare anything. what's your sense of what could've happened in this tragedy? >> as more comes out, it's possible that on that dementia of postpartum depression, hers was far worse than that and may have even become, she may have been in a state of being almost delusional and not really necessarily unlike the case of andrew yates some 21 years ago who also suffered from postpartum depression. but it was so severe, it was so debilitating that it was really at the psychotic level. so i think we need to hear how bad this depression really was for her. >> one of the things you have said is that in her mind she may not think what she did was wrong. that is horrid, i think for a