he made kind of a joke about it at the end and he said if you want a the crowd, send donald trump. if you want a small crowd, send mike pence. i think that is going to be his challenge. getting the base, and republican voters motivated. i think that he is an incredibly kind, patient, decent human being but it is going to be hard to fire up the base and animate them after four years of a trump administration. >> and to the point about walking a fine line, i don't know if it is a razor's edge fine, it really doesn't, does it really please anybody? because he is not winning over people who like the former president necessarily, and not really even castigating the former president particularly hard that might bring him support from people who have turned against the former president. >> i was struck by exactly the same thing, anderson. you know, i keep thinking back to when he was talking about after january 6th, talking to trump about what his former boss had put