you have to keep in mind the number is the same, 45 murders, but the city is a third smaller now than it was. so it's much more violent per capita. >> everyone i hear from in baltimore is just up in arms over this. they are incredibly distraught. the same community leaders who were so active in helping calm things down after the riots there in baltimore spending every day to try to make a difference there. i'm curious what you think, they got rid of the police commissioner there. what more can you do? >> well, you're going to have to win back the confidence of the police department because no one wants to speak the truth about this. the fact is the police are not stopping people the way they were because they're afraid to. they feel they're not supported by the government here, the politicians, the prosecutor, the mayor's office, people like that. if they're not going to stop people proactively, people are much more willing to carry guns and shoot each other. that's the bottom line. solving after the fact is nice, but that's not what you want. >> now, the current police commissioner, he kind of described this setup as flipping the script of sorts, kind of