and i would be reticent to get more specific than that. but since the 14th we believe we have been able to evacuate several thousand americans. >> very quickly lastly so the last table top exercise was about three weeks ago. >> it was about three weeks ago. it was certainly before kabul fell. this is something -- i talked about this before, this was something that the pentagon had been thinking about for a long time. i mean, as far back as late april when we held a rehearsal of concept exercise here at the pentagon looking at the retro grade and how that was going to parse out over the summer. part of that conversation was potential for noncombatant evacuation operations and what that would look like and how we would execute that. nancy? >> thank you. i wonder if you can clarify a couple points you said earlier. you said any extension beyond august 31st would be the secretary talking with the president. would that decision include inputs from nato al lice particularly those who say they need more time? is that a factor in the u.s.