i'm helping them in foreign countries. if those foreign ventures are turning into conversations with the president, and secretaries -- cabinet secretaries in the white house, that excuse doesn't hold up. >> and some of the testimony today, we have senator chris murphy coming on for perspective on this. he heard testimony from someone that substantiates the idea that rex tillerson, then-secretary of state, was pressured by the president, to help giuliani with what he was talking about on this turkish front. who would have guessed that we would have gotten to a point that the best thing rudy giuliani has going for him and the president, is a belief in a nonconspiracy theory who was out to get the president in 2016. that's the only part of this that is clean. if they believe this conspiracy theory, that the ukrainians were out to get trump, that's the only legit thing they could have