was fiona hill, and there was another person to go testify and to take action, which they did, and they did testify. but bolton won't do it because bolton wants to sell his book. you don't know why bolton is doing these things. i suspect it's selling his book. one of the guests on the previous show was saying how bolton is such a strong republican, and he is, and that's his whole social ties. he's not going to want to cut those just like mcgahn is probably not going to want to cut them either. that's where their bread is buttered and that's what's going to make a difference. they're not caring about america. they care about their future and their contacts and their abilities to sell what they've learned from government either in a book deal or in clients at jones day. >> something we've been arguing a lot with defenders of the president is going to be made manifest when the proceedings start in your committee. this has been the investigatory phase up until now. it was done with clinton by ken starr. it was done under nixon by a couple of different people running a grand jury.